450 Marlin vs 45-70. The .450 Marlin is a modern, high-pressure version of the .45-70, and lends itself well to a bolt-action conversion in any Short-mag rifle. Jeez, didn't mean to offend the resident Razorback. the 444 is a good round in the brush and if you don't try and stretch it to far, it will take just about anything you would want to shoot at. boar dead in his tracks erffortlessly. hey guys i live in ohio also. 444 Marlin vs. the 450 marlin is along the same lines as com0paring the 300 Win mag to the .338 Win mag. The .444 Marlin is a proprietory cartridge. I hope you enjoy the video and thanks for watching! Forums User List Calendar Active Threads Forum Help: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : 450 Marlin vs. 444 Marlin? The .444 Marlin was available in a svelte Marlin lever-action rifle—the Model 444—and proved to be a thumper on big game from whitetails to moose and bear, though like the .45-70, the range was limited by the low velocity and bullet profiles. This cartridge was held back for years by the lack of good factory loaded ammo. Relatively fast burning powders such as H4198, H322, RL-7 and VIHT N-130 are indicated for use in the straight wall .450 case. Maybe a .450 marlin. And the point I was making about the "pistol" bullets was sarcasm because the bullets that Hornady used to make the 450 BM is the same that they use for other large caliber cartridges like the 444 marlin and 45-70. 400 - 500 more foot pounds of energy going to the larger cartridge and .029 - .030 inches in bullet diameter going to the larger cartridge. In today’s video we shoot pine boards, cinder blocks, steel and water! The 45-70 never done much for me, but if you like them then so be it. Plenty of big game hunters who would be happy to share their opinions and experiences. Pros and cons? For reference I have a 450 Marlin built on a short action Ruger. #719364 01/22/06: Joined: Jan 2006. Any thoughts on a 45/70 vs. a 444 Marlin. All things in this scenario are equal other than the chambering. At 300 yards, drop is 15.8″ and 18.8″ respectively. The 450 Marlin gives people who don't handload access to the level of performance enjoyed by 45-70 owners that do, without exposing the major ammunition companies to the liability of non-SAAMI ammunition. The .450 Marlin has ballistics almost identical to magnum .45-70 Government ammunition and the cartridge fires the same weight bullet approximately 600fps faster than lower pressure .45-70 ammo intended for use in the Trapdoor Springfield. I have not shot any of the "leverultion ammo" in any of mine, so have no comment there. Today on Kentucky Ballistics we have 500 S&W Magnum vs 45-70 vs 450 Marlin! The .450 Marlin is a guns cartridge planned as a modernized proportional to the .45-70 cartridge. If you like the "big and slow" idea of the .444 you might consider a rifle in .45-70 instead. The 450 Marlin is a formidable round capable of killing anything in North America and so can be said the same for the 45/70 with proper loads. You can use bigger bullets in the 45/70, but will probably give up velocity. If you own a 45-70 and handload there's not much point to the 450 Marlin. But the .45-70 is a classic military cartridge with class. If you have some good insight let me know. Will probably buy a Marlin Guide Gun, but wouldn't mind lucking into a Mod 94 in 444. They can and do now. New Member. But .444 .450 and .45-70 are still good options. +10-2. Every one is so quick to point out "over kill"..... What about "UNDER KILL" Top . The .450 Marlin, as loaded by Hornady, produces 2,225 fps with a 325-grain bullet. D. Deer Dave OP. What you can do with one you can do with the other. The .444 Marlin is on par with the 45 Bushmaster at around 2300 ft/s for a 250 grain bullet, but is easily outdone by the 45 Raptor . *Both the .450 Timber, and the .444 Timber Carbine I had before it (1999), weren't as accurate as other type actions were. 450 Bushmaster can be found on the shelves at most large outfitters but don’t expect to always be able to find it. The BLR is the only gun currently chambered in .358 AFAIK, and its a bit pricer than the Marlin (it is a great rifle, though). Have been wishing for a compact Magnum in 450 Marlin for a while. At 150 yards the 444 drops 2.4 inches, whereas the Bushmaster drops about 2.9 inches. I love my .45-70 and highly recommend the caliber. If you don't reload and you want to hunt bear, I'd probably go with the .450 Marlin. The .444 is probably the lesser of the three with a smaller diameter and lighter bullets and seems to have accuracy problems in older rifles. Get the .45-70. Remington had … The .444 Marlin has the advantage of using the jacketed and cast bullets for the .44 Magnum, making it a rather flexible design for the handloader. Just splitting hairs or is there a difference. So don't be a schmoe. New Member. But, how many times do you really need to take a shot longer than that. For either cartridge reloading is the route to go if you’re able. And forget the 458 Winchester and all the rest of the heavies. it would be a lot better choice all around, and it comes in such a nice package the 95 winchester lever gun. I think if I had my druthers I would take the 450 Marlin with its 3500 ft lbs of energy either in the Marlin or Browning BLR. Would be used … If you don't handload, then it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. .450 Marlin.444 Marlin Ballistically (I just read up on each in my loading manual), the .450 Marlin holds an edge in velocity. It lacks the case capacity to push 480-500 gr fast enough to really use them well. 405 vs 444? Today on Kentucky Ballistics we have 500 S&W Magnum vs 45-70 vs 450 Marlin! Good Thinking, If i were into the Joly Green Giant Killer! Reactions: Tommytrees and 338 dude. All Marlins. The .450 Marlin is definitely more powerful than most (and probably all) commercially loaded .45-70 ammunition. It was structured by a joint group of Marlin and Hornady engineers headed by Hornady’s Mitch Mittelstaedt and was discharged in 2000, with cartridges made by Hornady and rifles fabricated by Marlin, essentially the Model 1895M lever gun. That's where I like it, run it … 444 Marlin VS 450 Trajectory. The .450 Marlin will normally be reloaded with bullets weighing 300-405 grains. one thing should be mentioned is the cartridge cannot be smaller than .357 dia. FWIW, I personally feel that those cartridges are far better off chambered in an action better suited to their power than a Model 94 - like a Winchester 86 or a Marlin 336/1895 (I had both in .45-70 + a Marlin .444). Overall, the 444 Marlin is a slightly flatter shooting cartridge than the 450 Bushmaster is. Not a fan of the 450 marlin, but don't know why. There are FAR better choices to make a bolt gun out of like the 450 Marlin 458x2, 350 Legend, etc. D. Joined: Jan 2006. Last edited: Oct 7, 2020. other than the states with those special regs, I think the 450 Marlin would be a better choice for a big bore bolt rifle! The .45-70 can't quite attain the velocity of the .450. The .450 Marlin is a firearms cartridge designed as a modernized equivalent to the .45-70 cartridge. This is 200 fps faster than the same company’s load (with the same bullet) for the .45-70. 444 was designed because Marlin couldn't build a lever action in 45-70. Check out Marlinowners.com, lots of good folks there. the 405 though will do evey thing the 444 will do and a lot more. 450 Marlin brass has less capacity, so pressure is higher at a given velocity, assuming all else is equal. Posts: 8. More important for dangerous game, the traditional 405-grain .45-70 bullet can be handloaded or custom loaded as high as 1,950 fps in either .45-70 or .450 Marlin, yielding about 3,500 ft.-lbs. vs .444 vs the 45 /70 How do they compare to the .460 and .500 SW _____ Over kill is an often under rated achievement! Posts: 8. I do not have dies or brass for either at this time, but both are available to me for both cartridges for similar money. The .450 Marlin and the .45-70 Government are not interchangeable, but are very similar in overall size. All-in-all, all three are pretty much equal. The .444 shoots much flatter than most folks realize. Comment. 450 marlin vs 444 marlin. Register Log In Home Forums Express Rifles and Big Bores Only 450 Marlin vs. 444 Marlin? In today’s video we shoot pine boards, cinder blocks, steel and water! You only need those in Africa. Anonymous. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:52 am . Genesis 9:2-4 Ministries Lighthearted Confessions of a Cervid Serial Killer Re: 450 bushmaster vs 444 marlin [ Re: shaman ] #13223097 10/22/18 1 decade ago. The 450 Marlin would be for me. Will drop a 300+lb. Yeah 45/70 and .444 and 450 marlin are really good out to only about 150-175 meters. The .444 Marlin With Marlin’s reintroduction of its Model 1895 in .444 Marlin, this cartridge should see resurgence, particularly in states only allowing straight-wall cartridges for deer hunting. Loading it to bolt action level vs lever gun will get you a good bit more than you would expect. 450 Bushmaster uses .452 dia bullets, 450 Marlin uses .458. Introduced in 1964, the .444 Marlin was kind of a stretched out .44 Magnum. That said, the .45-70 is plenty powerful enough for black bear. I have two .444's and a .450. Deer Dave. Commercial cartridges are available for both rounds. Somewhere in the back of my safe is a 30-30 lever gun that's unfired! Joined Oct 7, 2020 Messages 1 Location central ohio. Post by MrMacke » 29 May 2013, 18:38 450 marlin använder ju samma .458 kulor som 45-70 och kalibern i sig designades som ett modernt alternativ till just 45-70. Guy Miner Post subject: Re: .444 vs the 45 /70. And I think you can get a Marlin lever action in that caliber. It was designed by a joint team of Marlin and Hornady engineers headed by Hornady's Mitch Mittelstaedt, and was released in 2000, with cartridges manufactured by Hornady and rifles manufactured by Marlin, mainly the Model 1895M levergun. My rough guess is that the 444 Marlin is going to have a better bullet selection. The challenge is to get that close or closer. Better bullet selection in .458 I think. Post Cancel. Same platform, same barrel length, nearly the same intended bullet weights. 50 BMG vs 338 Lapua Part 2 (ft. Edwin Sarkissian) Full Auto AR-15 vs Bear (Full Auto Friday) Guns vs Dumpster. I carry a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 for protection from bears when needed. Mostly a longer version of the .44 Magnum, the .444 Marlin uses a 0.429-caliber bullet. Its a very underated cartridge IMO and in many ways superior to the .444 cartridge. PREV VIDEO NEXT VIDEO MORE VIDEOS. Heavier (and thus longer) bullets must be seated very deep in the case to feed through the modern Marlin 1895 lever action, unduly restricting powder space. i chose to … I mean when I bow hunt I am getting within 30 meters. its apples and oranges. natman, Jun 10, 2009 #15. bowmanr … 444 Marlin or 460 S&W? All the hunting shots I have taken with a firearm, here and in Africa have been less than 200 meters. The 444 Marlin drops only slightly less than the 450 Bushmaster and is therefore flatter shooting. . If you're really going for grizzly soon, go with 450; otherwise, you could go with 45-70, and plan to handload later or get speciaty loads (like those from Buffalo Bore) to get 45-70 up to 450 numbers without that silly belt-that's-not-a-belt.. 1 0. I have loads for the 350gr Aframes to 400 gr softs and solids that will get you above what can be done in a lever gun. OP. Oct 7, 2020 #30 S. savagebrother01 New Member.
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